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The 2017 Tournament of Champions field has been announced. Go to www.washingtontofc.org for all the team and player information.

Washington Invitational
Washington, Pekin, Chicago Uplift, Chicago Leo, Belleville West, Urbana, College Park-TX, Sam Houston-TX, Montgomery Carver- AL, Birmingham Huffman-AL, St. Louis Confluence-MO and Greensboro Smith- NC.

Top Players: 6'5" Sr. Quentin Grimes, College Park; 5'10" Sr. Kendric Davis, Sam Houston; 6'6" Jr. Jaykwon Walton, Carver; 6'3" Sr. Myreon Jones, Huffman; 6'7" So. Silas Mason, Greensboro Smith; 6'8" Jr. E.J. Liddell, Belleville West and 6'5" Sr. Toraze Dobbs, Uplift

National Classic
Orangeville Prep, Canada; Tennessee Prep,TN; St. Louis Christian, MO; Winston-Salem Prep, NC

Top Players: 6'8" Sr. Ignas Brazdeikis, Orangeville; 6'7" So. Matthew Alexander-Moncrieffe, Orangeville; 6'7" Sr. Antavion Collum, Tennessee Prep; 6'7" Jr. Bruce Guy, Tennessee Prep; 6'1" Sr. Daivien Williamson, WS-Prep

Shootout Series
Indianapolis Home School, IN v. Illini Bluffs
St. Louis Whitfield School, MO v. Chicago Corliss
Hillsboro, MO v. De Pue
Whitnall, WI v. Chicago Orr

Top Players: 6'5" Sr. Ty Mosley, Orr; 6'6" Sr. Raekwon Drake, Orr; 6'5" Sr. Tyler Herro, Whitnall; 6'5" Sr. Torrence Watson, Whitfield; 6'11" Sr. George Conditt, Corliss; 6'0" So. Tayson Parker, IHS; 6'8" Sr. Gaven Pinkley, Hillsboro
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Quentin Grimes is the nation's #1 Guard! Check him out at the 2017 ToC!

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What ranking service has Grimes as top rated guard? Thanks in advance.
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Tyler Herro of Whitnall, WI has made a commitment to the Kentucky Wildcats. He is an amazing talent who will be playing in the ToC on Friday, November 24th against Chicago Orr at the ToC.
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What are the must see games?
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All games have something different and unique.

The Can't miss teams and players:

*Belleville West- #2 player in Illinois 2019 class- EJ Liddell
*College Park, TX- Top 10 player in the nation- Quentin Grimes (committed to Kansas)
*Sam Houston, TX- Top 25 team in the nation last year- return 4 starters. Kendric Davis is a must see player!
*Uplift- Makese Jacobs (Kansas recruit) returns to Uplift
*Tennessee Prep- Antavion Collum is a big time talent, future NBA potential (34 ppg- 14 rpg- 7 apg)
*The two teams from Canada are loaded with talent! (20 future DI players within these two programs) top players include 6'8" Sr. Ignas Brazdeikis (committed to Michigan) and 6'10" Sr. Adong Makuoi from The Rise Centre.
*Two of the top ranked teams from North Carolina: The best 1A team and best 4A team.
*Tuesday Shootout matchup- Corliss v. Whitfield should be fun. George Conditt (Iowa State) v. Torrence Watson (Missouri)
*I look forward to watching Washington and Pekin battling some top ranked programs from around the country! Always fun!

***Friday, Nov. 24th- Whitnall, Wisconsin v. Chicago Orr. Top 25 player Tyler Herro, Whitnall who is signed with Kentucky takes on the #1 team in Illinois- Chicago Orr.

*Personal favorite- DePue v. Hillsboro, MO. (David v. Goliath matchup)
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COMBINED SCHEDULE
2017 TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS SCHEDULE

TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 21

4:15 PM Indianapolis Howe, IN v. Illini Bluffs

5:45 PM St. Louis Whitfield School, MO v. Chicago Corliss

7:15 PM St. Louis Confluence, MO v. Washington

8:45 PM Belleville West v. Pekin



WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 22

9:15 AM Urbana v. St. Louis Confluence

10:45 AM Montgomery Carver, AL v. Chicago Uplift

12:15 PM College Park, TX v. Belleville West

1:45 PM Chicago Leo v. Sam Houston MSTC, TX

3:30 PM Hillsboro, MO v. De Pue

5:00 PM Chicago Uplift v. Winston-Salem Prep, NC

6:30 PM Pekin v. College Park

8:00 PM Washington v. Urbana

9:30 PM Greensboro Smith, NC v. Chicago Leo



THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 23- THANKSGIVING

4:00 PM Winston-Salem Prep v. Montgomery Carver

5:30 PM Orangeville Prep, Canada v. St. Louis Christian, MO

7:00 PM The Rise Centre Academy, Canada v. Tennessee Prep, TN

8:30 PM Sam Houston MSTC v. Greensboro Smith



FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 24

8:45 AM WASHINGTON INVITATIONAL- TBA

10:15 AM WASHINGTON INVITATIONAL- TBA

11:45 AM WASHINGTON INVITATIONAL- TBA

1:15 PM Tennessee Prep v. St. Louis Christian

3:00 PM WASHINGTON INVITATIONAL- TBA

4:30 PM WASHINGTON INVITATIONAL- TBA

6:00 PM Whitnall, WI v. Chicago Orr

7:30 PM WASHINGTON INVITATIONAL- WASHINGTON HS GAME

9:00 PM The Rise Centre Academy v. Orangeville Prep



SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 25

9:00 AM WASHINGTON INVITATIONAL- TBA

10:30 AM WASHINGTON INVITATIONAL- TBA

12:00 PM St. Louis Christian v. The Rise Centre Academy

1:30 PM WASHINGTON INVITATIONAL- TBA

3:30 PM WASHINGTON INVITATIONAL- TBA

5:00 PM WASHINGTON INVITATIONAL- FINAL FOUR SERIES

6:30 PM Orangeville Prep v. Tennessee Prep

8:00 PM WASHINGTON INVITATONAL- WASHINGTON HS GAME



WASHINGTON INVITATIONAL BRACKETS

POOL A POOL B

Washington Chicago Leo

St. Louis Confluence Sam Houston Math & Science

Urbana Greensboro Smith

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POOL C POOL D

Pekin Chicago Uplift

Belleville West Winston-Salem Prep

College Park Montgomery Carver





Pool A and Pool B will face up in semi-final rounds

Pool C and Pool D will face up in semi-final rounds

ALL TEAMS IN THE WASHINGTON INVITATIONAL WILL BE PLAYING ONE GAME EACH ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY
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Well, one encouraging thing about the Panthers, they couldn’t possibly play worse than they did tonight. It was brutal. The kid from Confluence was a one man wrecking crew. He made just about every shot he took. Single handedly beat Washington tonight. Possibly the worst opening performance from a Panther team I’ve seen in a very long time.
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Very sloppy. Couldn’t make shots. Bad passes. Hard to watch
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O&B 78 wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:08 pm Very sloppy. Couldn’t make shots. Bad passes. Hard to watch
and couldn't catch the ball :shock:
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Bballnut wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:17 am
O&B 78 wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:08 pm Very sloppy. Couldn’t make shots. Bad passes. Hard to watch
and couldn't catch the ball :shock:
How could I leave that out? Easy to see our post still had a lineman’s hands. The others??? Confluence may have had a lot to do with it though. I hope. Still a long ways to go, so there is hope for the season (maybe).
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O&B 78 wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:00 am
Bballnut wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:17 am
O&B 78 wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:08 pm Very sloppy. Couldn’t make shots. Bad passes. Hard to watch
and couldn't catch the ball :shock:
How could I leave that out? Easy to see our post still had a lineman’s hands. The others??? Confluence may have had a lot to do with it though. I hope. Still a long ways to go, so there is hope for the season (maybe).
This team has potential. It’s a work in progress.

The passing wasn’t as sharp as in the past. That’s unusual. The shots, my gosh. If they made 1/16 of the baskets they missed, they could’ve won that game. They were hitting them like crazy during warm ups.

There’s a lot of talent on the team. I hope they got it out of their systems last night.

One last thing I noticed. I don’t believe Washington has a captain picked out. On 4 different occasions I noticed things that the captain does before the game that 4 different players did.
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If I’m the rest of the MI conference, I’m licking my chops. This Washington team is not very good right now. No leadership, no true point guard, shooting is poor (except Ware), no defense, basketball IQ is not very high compared to past teams. On the blocks,they have a 6-9 monster w/ decent skills and a strong 6-6 kid that can jump out of the gym, and both rarely touch the ball in the paint on offense except for rebounds. They lose to a really avg Urbana team. I believe they will improve but extremely frustrating to watch right now.
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Nobody good in MI conference. Basketball way down in central IL. Richwoods might be only exception.
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6-9, 6-7, 6-6 and you won’t rebound. Sheez boys. Fouling and not rebounding, bad combination. When was the last time my Panthers started 0-3? There’s a good chance it will be 0-4. We’ve been spoiled over the years. There are kids starting or getting significant playing time that would’ve never seen the floor a couple seasons ago. I’m confident though, this team will find itself and be competitive in the MI. .500 is a reality.
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Ripple Effect wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:35 pm 6-9, 6-7, 6-6 and you won’t rebound. Sheez boys. Fouling and not rebounding, bad combination. When was the last time my Panthers started 0-3? There’s a good chance it will be 0-4. We’ve been spoiled over the years. There are kids starting or getting significant playing time that would’ve never seen the floor a couple seasons ago. I’m confident though, this team will find itself and be competitive in the MI. .500 is a reality.
Good game. Double OT. The team is coming together with every game they play. I agree, .500 minimum.
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Did Washington win tonight against Winston Salem?
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Washington lost 72-59. Guedet was the leading scorer for Washington with 17 points.
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Avidhoops5 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:57 am Washington lost 72-59. Guedet was the leading scorer for Washington with 17 points.
We lost to Winston by 13 and Pekin beat Winston by 12. Could be a long season. I have faith that they will come around.
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Wonder if the change of coaching techniques is the problem ;)
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O&B 78 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:16 pm Wonder if the change of coaching techniques is the problem ;)
Hmmm. Interesting thought.

It’s still early in the season.
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Points given up by Washington in this years TOC= 282.
Total points given up the first four regular season games last season = 139.

This team is missing a lot of parts. On top of their talent deficiencies on offense, they show no moxy, intestinal fortitude or guts on defense. Very atypical of a KB coached Washington team. Until that changes, they will struggle. With their size and experience, they should never give up as many offensive rebounds as they did this past week.
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Playing against the best teams with some of best players in the country is a good test to see where you are at. Weaknesses will be exposed. Washington and Pekin got an immediate real measure of what needs to improve. Both teams also validated what their strengths are to build on. It's a process. In my opinion, it's better to play in an environment like the TOC and be able to compete at a high level, versus getting a false positive like EP who went 3-0 playing local and small school teams like Delavan and IVC.
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illini25 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:35 pm
O&B 78 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:16 pm Wonder if the change of coaching techniques is the problem ;)
Hmmm. Interesting thought.

It’s still early in the season.
I saw the Leo game and he was his normal out of control disposition screaming at everything on every play.
Second half he settled down way not him. I wonder if there was a correction implied by someone at halftime.
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