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Maybe a little dramatic, but one feels that Pritzker is holding the state of Illinois hostage in many areas because of Co-vid. Businesses are going bankrupt. People are losing jobs. But since this is high school football board, I am disappointed that King Pritzker will not allow high school football this fall. Many schools, parents and student athletes want to play (This includes city of Chicago, suburbs and downstate areas) Most of the Midwest states surrounding Illinois are playing. Big states like Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania (their governor has been really strict about co-vid) are all playing. 25 states are playing now with seven slated to start in upcoming weeks. The Big Ten has voted to play. There seems to be safety measures that can be taken. I say let the Illinois high schools take a vote and go with that. I would think high schools themselves could determine if they want to play. And if majority voted to play, a school could still opt out. But what Pritzker has done, in true dictator form, is taken freedom of choice away from schools, parents and student athletes. I not trying to get into a political discussion, but one person wielding such power... :evil:
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Not even going to comment on the dictator portion of it because what he is doing is far from dictatorial.

Anyway, here is the 7-day rolling positivity rates for Illinois, the surrounding states and the 3 additional states you mentioned (per John Hopkins):

-Illinois: 3.6%
-Indiana: 6.2%
-Kentucky: 3.4%
-Missouri: 10.9%
-Iowa: 13.5%
-Wisconsin: 14.6%
-Texas: 7.9%
-Florida: 12.3%
-Pennsylvania: 6.8%

So of all those states, Kentucky is the only own with a positivity rate at or below Illinois' rate. The rest are close to 2X as much or more.

It's completely understandable why he'd want to do this as there is no way the schools in this state could provide the same amount of testing and sanitization and other capabilities that you're seeing on the professional and college level. Does it stink for the athletes who are wanting to play? Absolutely. But until there's a safe way to do so, there's no need in getting players in high contact sports together especially with liability concerns abounding.
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Bluejay, I won't get into the numbers yet, but shouldn't the IHSA schools have a say in this? Shouldn't maybe the schools themselves vote on this? IN fact, last week the IHSA sent a letter asking the governor to hand control of high school sports BACK to the IHSA. He REFUSED. Hence why I used word dictator. He, as one person, gets to dictate the what 700 schools in Illinois can do. What I see is a lot of schools, ADS, coaches parents, students that want to play. Maybe I am wrong, but it seems like the schools nor IHSA have had much of a say in this. If the majority of schools voted against football/volleyball etc then fine. But I would think the schools would be up to date on medical issues and also have the students best interest at heart.
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CIS wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:27 pm Bluejay, I won't get into the numbers yet, but shouldn't the IHSA schools have a say in this? Shouldn't maybe the schools themselves vote on this? IN fact, last week the IHSA sent a letter asking the governor to hand control of high school sports BACK to the IHSA. He REFUSED. Hence why I used word dictator. He, as one person, gets to dictate the what 700 schools in Illinois can do. What I see is a lot of schools, ADS, coaches parents, students that want to play. Maybe I am wrong, but it seems like the schools nor IHSA have had much of a say in this. If the majority of schools voted against football/volleyball etc then fine. But I would think the schools would be up to date on medical issues and also have the students best interest at heart.
I know about the IHSA sending the letter to the governor's office but I can totally get where Pritzker is coming from on all this as well. And it's not as if Illinois is the only state in the union that isn't playing high school football right now. I could be wrong here but I believe that New York and most of the New England states aren't playing right now along with a few states out west (Though to be fair, with the air quality due to the wildfires California, Oregon and Washington state probably wouldn't be playing right now anyway).
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Bluejaygrad03 wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:32 pm
CIS wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:27 pm Bluejay, I won't get into the numbers yet, but shouldn't the IHSA schools have a say in this? Shouldn't maybe the schools themselves vote on this? IN fact, last week the IHSA sent a letter asking the governor to hand control of high school sports BACK to the IHSA. He REFUSED. Hence why I used word dictator. He, as one person, gets to dictate the what 700 schools in Illinois can do. What I see is a lot of schools, ADS, coaches parents, students that want to play. Maybe I am wrong, but it seems like the schools nor IHSA have had much of a say in this. If the majority of schools voted against football/volleyball etc then fine. But I would think the schools would be up to date on medical issues and also have the students best interest at heart.
I know about the IHSA sending the letter to the governor's office but I can totally get where Pritzker is coming from on all this as well. And it's not as if Illinois is the only state in the union that isn't playing high school football right now. I could be wrong here but I believe that New York and most of the New England states aren't playing right now along with a few states out west (Though to be fair, with the air quality due to the wildfires California, Oregon and Washington state probably wouldn't be playing right now anyway).
The link is a map of high school football specifically and who's playing, who's modified the season (that means different things in different states but it appears to often be the start date), and who's not playing:
https://www.nfhs.org/media/4119463/2020 ... ations.jpg

I was struck by how nonpolitical this map looks :roll:
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I happened to be in Southern Kansas last Friday night. It looked like Kansas and Oklahoma are playing high school football with no restrictions that I could see. Why not Illinois?
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My son drove by a high school football in Norman, Ok., last Friday night. He said the the stands were packed.
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Pike Bishop wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:55 pm My son drove by a high school football in Norman, Ok., last Friday night. He said the the stands were packed.
Could he tell how many people were wearing masks?
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oftenrunning52 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:16 am
Bluejaygrad03 wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:32 pm
CIS wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:27 pm Bluejay, I won't get into the numbers yet, but shouldn't the IHSA schools have a say in this? Shouldn't maybe the schools themselves vote on this? IN fact, last week the IHSA sent a letter asking the governor to hand control of high school sports BACK to the IHSA. He REFUSED. Hence why I used word dictator. He, as one person, gets to dictate the what 700 schools in Illinois can do. What I see is a lot of schools, ADS, coaches parents, students that want to play. Maybe I am wrong, but it seems like the schools nor IHSA have had much of a say in this. If the majority of schools voted against football/volleyball etc then fine. But I would think the schools would be up to date on medical issues and also have the students best interest at heart.
I know about the IHSA sending the letter to the governor's office but I can totally get where Pritzker is coming from on all this as well. And it's not as if Illinois is the only state in the union that isn't playing high school football right now. I could be wrong here but I believe that New York and most of the New England states aren't playing right now along with a few states out west (Though to be fair, with the air quality due to the wildfires California, Oregon and Washington state probably wouldn't be playing right now anyway).
The link is a map of high school football specifically and who's playing, who's modified the season (that means different things in different states but it appears to often be the start date), and who's not playing:
https://www.nfhs.org/media/4119463/2020 ... ations.jpg

I was struck by how nonpolitical this map looks :roll:
Map is not completely accurate. Missouri actually gave schools the option of pushing football season to the spring. Pretty much the entire state is playing with the exception of the schools in St. Louis county whose health department won't allow them to. AD's at some STL schools announced today they are looking into the possibility of playing their games outside the county and, thus, beyond the control of the county Health Dept. Waiting to see if other schools follow suit.

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TheRoller wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:41 pm
oftenrunning52 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:16 am
Bluejaygrad03 wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:32 pm

I know about the IHSA sending the letter to the governor's office but I can totally get where Pritzker is coming from on all this as well. And it's not as if Illinois is the only state in the union that isn't playing high school football right now. I could be wrong here but I believe that New York and most of the New England states aren't playing right now along with a few states out west (Though to be fair, with the air quality due to the wildfires California, Oregon and Washington state probably wouldn't be playing right now anyway).
The link is a map of high school football specifically and who's playing, who's modified the season (that means different things in different states but it appears to often be the start date), and who's not playing:
https://www.nfhs.org/media/4119463/2020 ... ations.jpg

I was struck by how nonpolitical this map looks :roll:
Map is not completely accurate. Missouri actually gave schools the option of pushing football season to the spring. Pretty much the entire state is playing with the exception of the schools in St. Louis county whose health department won't allow them to. AD's at some STL schools announced today they are looking into the possibility of playing their games outside the county and, thus, beyond the control of the county Health Dept. Waiting to see if other schools follow suit.

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/high-sc ... b6825.html
And now it gets even more interesting as St. Louis city schools are free to resume playing.......St. Louis County not yet https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/st-lo ... ll-sports/
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One of the statements by the IHSA today in their decision to go ahead and allow basketball this year...“However, the board has not been presented any causal evidence that rising COVID-19 cases make basketball more dangerous to play by the IDPH or any other health organization nationally or internationally. On the contrary, the IHSA has been looking to bordering states who have sponsored both medium risk and high risk sports in the fall that have noted a low incident rate of COVID-19 spread." As I said in another thread, I am saddened by the fact we could have had high school football this fall. The states that allowed football have reported overall very low incident rates....
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Michigan started their football playoffs but cancelled remainder of season(playoffs) effective yesterday :shock: All winter sports also suspended.
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Bballnut wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:58 am Michigan started their football playoffs but cancelled remainder of season(playoffs) effective yesterday :shock: All winter sports also suspended.
Wait...so you mean it wasn't a good idea to play these high contact sports in the middle of a pandemic? Who knew?
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Bluejaygrad03 wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:20 pm
Bballnut wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:58 am Michigan started their football playoffs but cancelled remainder of season(playoffs) effective yesterday :shock: All winter sports also suspended.
Wait...so you mean it wasn't a good idea to play these high contact sports in the middle of a pandemic? Who knew?
Show me the data that suggests that high school football has been a culprit in spreading the virus. Doesn't even have to be from Michigan since there are plenty of Midwest states that played this fall.
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Contact tracing is showing very few individuals are coming in contact with the virus through any sort of school function, sports or otherwise.
Not that I know of...
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wolverine55 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:05 am Contact tracing is showing very few individuals are coming in contact with the virus through any sort of school function, sports or otherwise.
Which is the point. Our governor keeps saying his following the science, the numbers are what they are, people aren't following the rules, etc. Yet he, and other governors like him, shuts things down that can't be shown to be the primary causes of outbreaks. High school sports is being used as the tool to punish people for perceived bad behavior. Coaches, athletes, and parents are left to try and make sense of it all. It's frustrating, at best.
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oftenrunning52 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:21 am
wolverine55 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:05 am Contact tracing is showing very few individuals are coming in contact with the virus through any sort of school function, sports or otherwise.
Which is the point. Our governor keeps saying his following the science, the numbers are what they are, people aren't following the rules, etc. Yet he, and other governors like him, shuts things down that can't be shown to be the primary causes of outbreaks. High school sports is being used as the tool to punish people for perceived bad behavior. Coaches, athletes, and parents are left to try and make sense of it all. It's frustrating, at best.
I agree about contact tracing showing only a few individual cases of co-vid through high school football which has large numbers of players and constant contact. Also, I have not read of any communities that were adversely affected by high school football. And you right on Oftenrunning, science seems to show high school sports overall have little co-vid affect on communities. I would think that the mental health of thousands of high school athletes would outweigh the slight risk of co-vid outbreak....
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CIS wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:29 pm
oftenrunning52 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:21 am
wolverine55 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:05 am Contact tracing is showing very few individuals are coming in contact with the virus through any sort of school function, sports or otherwise.
Which is the point. Our governor keeps saying his following the science, the numbers are what they are, people aren't following the rules, etc. Yet he, and other governors like him, shuts things down that can't be shown to be the primary causes of outbreaks. High school sports is being used as the tool to punish people for perceived bad behavior. Coaches, athletes, and parents are left to try and make sense of it all. It's frustrating, at best.
I agree about contact tracing showing only a few individual cases of co-vid through high school football which has large numbers of players and constant contact. Also, I have not read of any communities that were adversely affected by high school football. And you right on Oftenrunning, science seems to show high school sports overall have little co-vid affect on communities. I would think that the mental health of thousands of high school athletes would outweigh the slight risk of co-vid outbreak....
The mental health ramifications for all (children, teens, and adults) won't become glaringly apparent for years, but you are seeing some of it right now. People are social animals. They are not designed to be hiding in their homes and refraining from social interaction (and computer screens don't substitute for genuine interaction).
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Minnesota is taking four-week "pause" from fall and winter sports, starting Saturday.

https://www.startribune.com/four-week-s ... 573118971/

Gov. Tim Walz ordered a four-week shutdown of youth and high school sports starting Saturday to help counter an accelerating increase in COVID-19 cases.
Walz issued the order Wednesday as part of new restrictions to curb what he called "uncontrolled community spread'' of the virus and reduce pressure on hospital bed capacity and health care staffing.
The four-week period, which he described as a pause, puts an end to the high school football section playoffs, which had been scheduled to conclude on Nov. 28, and the volleyball season, set to end Dec. 12. It also delays the start of most winter sports and sidelines the already-started dance team season.
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As word emerged earlier in the day that a youth sports pause was imminent, at least four metro-area high school football games were rescheduled from Saturday to Friday and coaches at other schools began exploring similar changes.
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Coach Jared Essler at St. Michael-Albertville said his team would play Friday to beat deadline as needed. "Seems backward that the governor might be saying pause and we are saying fast forward but that is what our kids and parents want," Essler said before Walz's announcement.
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CIS wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:27 pm Bluejay, I won't get into the numbers yet, but shouldn't the IHSA schools have a say in this? Shouldn't maybe the schools themselves vote on this? IN fact, last week the IHSA sent a letter asking the governor to hand control of high school sports BACK to the IHSA. He REFUSED. Hence why I used word dictator. He, as one person, gets to dictate the what 700 schools in Illinois can do. What I see is a lot of schools, ADS, coaches parents, students that want to play. Maybe I am wrong, but it seems like the schools nor IHSA have had much of a say in this. If the majority of schools voted against football/volleyball etc then fine. But I would think the schools would be up to date on medical issues and also have the students best interest at heart.
Could JB be threatening pulling school funds if they refuse to obey?
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All winter sports have been shut down and only outdoor and individual (1 coach 1 player per facility) workouts will be allowed. :|
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superfan309 wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:47 am
CIS wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:27 pm Bluejay, I won't get into the numbers yet, but shouldn't the IHSA schools have a say in this? Shouldn't maybe the schools themselves vote on this? IN fact, last week the IHSA sent a letter asking the governor to hand control of high school sports BACK to the IHSA. He REFUSED. Hence why I used word dictator. He, as one person, gets to dictate the what 700 schools in Illinois can do. What I see is a lot of schools, ADS, coaches parents, students that want to play. Maybe I am wrong, but it seems like the schools nor IHSA have had much of a say in this. If the majority of schools voted against football/volleyball etc then fine. But I would think the schools would be up to date on medical issues and also have the students best interest at heart.
Could JB be threatening pulling school funds if they refuse to obey?
Not a chance that happens. That would be an extremely and incredibly petty thing to do.
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Bluejaygrad03 wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:38 pmThat would be an extremely and incredibly petty thing to do.
You mean like locking down Illinois workers while using Illinois workers at your Wisconsin horse farm? You mean like having your wife and daughter travel to Florida and Wisconsin while you dictate a travel ban on the rest of the peons in the state?

Pritzker is exactly that kind of petty.
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Redbird CC Fan wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:45 am
Bluejaygrad03 wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:38 pmThat would be an extremely and incredibly petty thing to do.
You mean like locking down Illinois workers while using Illinois workers at your Wisconsin horse farm? You mean like having your wife and daughter travel to Florida and Wisconsin while you dictate a travel ban on the rest of the peons in the state?

Pritzker is exactly that kind of petty.
No chance. And this isn't just me being some pro-Pritzker person. He's not going to pull school funds just for not obeying something like this.
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