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squirrel wrote:
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Although the WAC is doing a halfway decent job at trying to build around NMSU.

Summit looks like a solid regional conference...with the exception of WIU, who sort of stick out like a sore thumb now.
If I'm Denver, I'd make the move to the WAC, but probably worth monitoring for stability and strength first.

NMSU, Grand Canyon, and Utah Valley are decent on the hoops side, with considerable growth potential, which is really what you want. Cal Baptist made a solid first impression. The WAC is also probably trying to do whatever they can to shake the Cougars out of the league. :lol:
I'm still not sure anyone should move to the WAC other than call-ups. Still unstable, and still think everyone's goal is to graduate from that conference into something better. Although I suppose if NMSU leaves (and Chicago St folds), then everyone else left might like their bedmates and stay put and they can become a real conference.

I doubt anyone leaves the Big Sky for them, though. Football is probably king for all Big Sky schools, and the WAC ain't giving anyone anything on that front.
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Denver is driven by academic snobbery. They will not move to WAC as long as GCU is in it.

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https://asunsports.org/general/2019-20/ ... 0122lh6utq

Read this gem of a plan from the A-Fun.

How I currently feel:

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The cliff notes:

The CCSA is a swimming/diving only conference, created to house a bunch of random programs that don't have a home with their usual conference. The A-Fun wants to turn that conference into an all-sport conference, with autobid and all. Presumably, they'll raid the Gulf South and anyone else they can find, stash them in the A-Fun to establish continuity, then a bunch of them will leave for the CCSA and pull a Mountain West.

What?
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There’s a bunch of FBS schools in that swimming/diving league. It might be Liberty’s attempt at a coup and pulling in regional schools stuck in the CUSA/SBELT frankenconferences who don’t oppose Liberty institutionally.

If they pull off a 33rd conference, you can expect NCAA Tournament expansion to 72 (good news!).

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There’s a bunch of FBS schools in that swimming/diving league. It might be Liberty’s attempt at a coup and pulling in regional schools stuck in the CUSA/SBELT frankenconferences who don’t oppose Liberty institutionally.

If they pull off a 33rd conference, you can expect NCAA Tournament expansion to 72 (good news!).
I think the schools already in the CCSA are irrelevant and they're looking for new schools. No one in the Fun Belt or CUSA will want to be a part of this conference. It's a step way down in football.
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I haven't even touched this yet, but I will.
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Not A-Sun related, at least, unless that thing goes off the rails completely :lol:

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Back to the A-Sun . . .I'm not at the point of insights quite yet. . .but here are a few (there are a few more leagues I haven't gone through yet) leagues and possible future DI institutions. There is some intelligence out there, and I will have a more selective list from this. I've omitted a few schools that are way off from the number of 14 sports required for DI status.

Some initial comments: Slippery Rock (PA) is a name I've seen in several places in A-Sun circles. Below, the (y/n) indicates whether or not they have football, the number in parentheses is the number of NCAA sports the school currently offers or will within the next year or two. I was impressed with the number of schools below as I was going through this, how many are adding men's volleyball and lacrosse on both sides.


Gulf South (DII)
Alabama Huntsville (N; 18)
Delta State (Y; 13)
Lee (N; 16)
Mississippi College (Y; 16)
Montevallo (N; 17)
Shorter (Y; 19)
Valdosta St (Y; 12) – Won 2018 DII NC in FB
West Alabama (Y; 18)
West Florida (Y; 16) – Started FB in 2015, won DII National Championship in 2019
West Georgia (Y; 13)


Peach Belt (DII)
Augusta (N; 13)
Columbus (GA) St (N; 14)
Flagler (N; 15)
Francis Marion (N; 14)
Lander (N; 17) – Up until this year, had just 13 sports, but added 4 this year: Lacrosse (both men’s and women’s, along with men’s volleyball and wrestling)
UNC Pembroke (Y, 16)
North Georgia (N, 13)
USC Aiken (N, 11)


Southern Intercollegiate [SIAC; Predominantly HBCUs] (DII)
Albany State (Y; 13)
Benedict (Y; at least 14-couldn’t find exact number)
Clark Atlanta (Y; 10)
Fort Valley State (Y; 11)
Kentucky State (Y; 14 starting next year)
Lane (Y; 10)
Miles (Y; 10?)
Morehouse (Y; 10-11?)
Savannah State (Y; 16) – Has already tried moving to DI and returned back to DII
Spring Hill (N; 17?)
Tuskegee (Y; 10)
*Edward Waters (Y; 14) *Pending reclassification from NAIA


Sunshine State (DII)
Barry (N; 12)
Eckerd (N; 12)
Embry-Riddle (N; 21)
Florida Southern (N; 21)
Florida Tech (Y; 22)
Lynn (N; 14)
Nova Southeastern (N; 17)
Palm Beach Atlantic (N; 17)
Rollins (N; 19)
St. Leo (N; 20)
Tampa (N; 20)


South Atlantic (DII)
Anderson (N; 15)
Carson-Newman (Y; 19)
Catawba (Y; 22)
Coker (N; 21)
Lenoir-Rhyne (Y; 22)
Lincoln Memorial (N; 21)
Mars Hill (Y; 20)
Newberry (Y; 22)
Queens University of Charlotte (N; 18)
Tusculum (N; 15?)
Virginia-Wise (Y; 13)
Wingate (Y; 22)
*Limestone (Y; 23) – Joining from Conference Carolinas


Conference Carolinas (DII / But a DI men’s v-ball conference)
Barton (Y; 16)
Belmont-Abbey (N; 20)
Chowan (Y; 18)
Emmanuel (N; 20?)
Erskine (Y; 18 with football starting in 2020)
King (N; 20)
Lees-McRae (N; 17)
Mount Olive (N; 18)
North Greenville (Y; 19)
Southern Wesleyan (N; 16)


Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference (DII)
Bloomsburg (Y; 19)
California (PA) (Y; 15)
Clarion (Y; 14)
East Stroudsburg (Y; 18)
Edinboro (Y; 17)
Gannon (Y; 19)
Indiana (PA) (Y; 19)
Kutztown (Y; 19)
Lock Haven (Y; 21)
Mercyhurst (Y; 24)
Millersville (Y; 18)
Pitt-Johnstown (N; 15)
Seton Hill (Y; 19)
Shepherd (Y; 12)
Shippensburg (Y; 18)
Slippery Rock (Y; 15)
West Chester (Y; 22)
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HBCU conferences may be reaching a tipping point.

https://www.greensboro.com/sports/colle ... 66272.html
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squirrel wrote:
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Back to the A-Sun . . .I'm not at the point of insights quite yet. . .but here are a few (there are a few more leagues I haven't gone through yet) leagues and possible future DI institutions. There is some intelligence out there, and I will have a more selective list from this. I've omitted a few schools that are way off from the number of 14 sports required for DI status.

Some initial comments: Slippery Rock (PA) is a name I've seen in several places in A-Sun circles. Below, the (y/n) indicates whether or not they have football, the number in parentheses is the number of NCAA sports the school currently offers or will within the next year or two. I was impressed with the number of schools below as I was going through this, how many are adding men's volleyball and lacrosse on both sides.

My first instinct when I first read this was to just yoink the entire Gulf South into D1 and go from there.
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TheAsianSensation wrote:
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HBCU conferences may be reaching a tipping point.

https://www.greensboro.com/sports/colle ... 66272.html
It's really telling for the conference when even a founding member is looking to get out.

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Even with the trifecta of losses, the MEAC’s still at 10. And Virginia St is better equipped for D1 than majority of the league.

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After Virginia St, they can always rekindle talks with Winston-Salem St again or even reach over to Chicago St who plays in an AA-populus area.

So the MEAC is probably still 3+ losses away from being in trouble. Florida A&M’s no doubt gunning for the ASun or that new conference.

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Put Murray St and their fanbase in the MVC already, you cowards.
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Put Murray St and their fanbase in the MVC already, you cowards.
Said the same thing watching their Austin Pray game last night.

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Put Murray St and their fanbase in the MVC already, you cowards.
Is there a way for them to only be in for basketball? I mean their fans do travel like Kentucky does in the SEC so they'd be able to fill up Enterprise Center.

But they'll get absolutely curb stomped in football.

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I still will get back to the A-Sun nonsense. But some other stuff:

Augustana (SD) has formally applied for Summit League membership this week, but unlike St. Thomas (MN), which would need a waiver to bypass the 5-year DII residency requirement, awaits an actual invite from the league.

Also rumblings (far fetched perhaps at this early stage) that USC is thinking about bolting for the B12 to get the B12 back to 16 members, with UCLA, Oregon, Washington, and the 2 Arizona schools, leaving behind WaSU, Oregon St, Cal, Stanford as the only 4 members. Motivation is the P12 getting shut out of the football playoff.

That would likely precipitate a raid of the Mountain West, which would likely look at Boise, San Diego St, Colorado St, UNLV, Nevada, Utah State, New Mexico, and maybe a wildcard WAC add in New Mexico State. . .
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USC (+UCLA/SU/Cal/UW) already broke off Oregon/OSU/Wazzu (and those pesky Vandals) 60 years ago. USC wanted the first national conference with Notre Dame and Army/Navy joining. None of the three bit. It took a few years before the CA4 acquiesced on UO/OSU/Wazzu and several more years before playing UO/OSU/Wazzu annually.

Took 60 years but USC has cycled back to being too big for its britches.

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All of this probably shakes out when it comes to negotiating new TV deals beyond 2023. Which those conversations are probably already underway.
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MissouriValleyUnite wrote:
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USC (+UCLA/SU/Cal/UW) already broke off Oregon/OSU/Wazzu (and those pesky Vandals) 60 years ago. USC wanted the first national conference with Notre Dame and Army/Navy joining. None of the three bit. It took a few years before the CA4 acquiesced on UO/OSU/Wazzu and several more years before playing UO/OSU/Wazzu annually.

Took 60 years but USC has cycled back to being too big for its britches.
Yep. And the MWC teams left the WAC, and the AAC teams largely left CUSA. . .only to end up essentially in the same league.
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Bluejaygrad03 wrote:
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Put Murray St and their fanbase in the MVC already, you cowards.
Is there a way for them to only be in for basketball? I mean their fans do travel like Kentucky does in the SEC so they'd be able to fill up Enterprise Center.

But they'll get absolutely curb stomped in football.
We'll need to accept Murray St's football, and they will get curb stomped.
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I'm more likely to believe 5-6 members of both the Pac-12/Big 12 alliance together, than to think one conference will raid the other.
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I also think all this accelerates the move to a 4-league, 64-team super division.
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I also think all this accelerates the move to a 4-league, 64-team super division.
With all the contracts currently in place, I would've imagined 2025ish would be the magic date either way.
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I probably missed this posted elsewhere, but it looks like Illinois is set to announce an NCAA hockey program, which would play in the B1G.

But we'll see what shakes out. . .not the ideal time to make such an announcement, and finances may change the overall feasibility.
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